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Re: Super bowl

Post by PurpleMustReign » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:33 pm

Why does Brady get no love? He didn't have a great game but again, he played well when it mattered. I'd rather have a QB play well when the game is on the line than one who just gets garbage stats.
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Re: Super bowl

Post by YikesVikes » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:18 pm

S197 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:13 pm
I'll admit a big part of me hating this game is I really don't care for either team. BB is definitely the GOAT and I respect him for that, it just gets old seeing them in the championship every year. The time between the AFCC and Superbowl is a scary amount of time for him to Mastermind a plan.

What he's done with that roster is phenomenal but unlikely something the Vikings can emulate. My worry isn't so much that we don't take a guard in the 1st but that we wait until late in the draft to take a guard, which Spielman has continually done with very poor results. I'm trying to remember the last guard we took in say the first 3 rounds and I think it may be Ryan Cook. Who was a Fran Foley pick. Elflein may be the only interior guy Rick has ever taken early.
How many linemen has he taken int the 1st two rounds. 2 in the last two out of need. Scary to see what they think they can do with a #### line.
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Re: Super bowl

Post by S197 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:52 pm

YikesVikes wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:18 pm
S197 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:13 pm
I'll admit a big part of me hating this game is I really don't care for either team. BB is definitely the GOAT and I respect him for that, it just gets old seeing them in the championship every year. The time between the AFCC and Superbowl is a scary amount of time for him to Mastermind a plan.

What he's done with that roster is phenomenal but unlikely something the Vikings can emulate. My worry isn't so much that we don't take a guard in the 1st but that we wait until late in the draft to take a guard, which Spielman has continually done with very poor results. I'm trying to remember the last guard we took in say the first 3 rounds and I think it may be Ryan Cook. Who was a Fran Foley pick. Elflein may be the only interior guy Rick has ever taken early.
How many linemen has he taken int the 1st two rounds. 2 in the last two out of need. Scary to see what they think they can do with a #### line.
He didn't take a lineman last year in the first two rounds, Elflein was a 3rd round pick. Spielman has also never taken a guard in the first two rounds since becoming GM over a decade ago. Closest is Beavers in the 4th or Elf if you consider him a hybrid role.
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Re: Super bowl

Post by YikesVikes » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:13 pm

S197 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:52 pm
YikesVikes wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:18 pm


How many linemen has he taken int the 1st two rounds. 2 in the last two out of need. Scary to see what they think they can do with a #### line.
He didn't take a lineman last year in the first two rounds, Elflein was a 3rd round pick. Spielman has also never taken a guard in the first two rounds since becoming GM over a decade ago. Closest is Beavers in the 4th or Elf if you consider him a hybrid role.
Missed on Elfein. Forgot he was a 3rd rounder and not a 2nd rounder. Point still stands. We don't invest in the oline and we couldn't block a pop-up notification last year.
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Re: Super bowl

Post by mansquatch » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:31 pm

Did you guys see PHP's post on the NE OL? All those guys are late round picks. In some cases they were free agents jettisoned from other clubs. BB and co have figured out how to coach those guys up within a single season. That is the big difference. I'm not sure it will matter all that much if the Vikes draft a 1st rounder vs. a 5th rounder if the coaching isn't in place to develop the guy effectively.
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Re: Super bowl

Post by Mothman » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:58 pm

S197 wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:13 pm
I'll admit a big part of me hating this game is I really don't care for either team. BB is definitely the GOAT and I respect him for that, it just gets old seeing them in the championship every year. The time between the AFCC and Superbowl is a scary amount of time for him to Mastermind a plan.

What he's done with that roster is phenomenal but unlikely something the Vikings can emulate. My worry isn't so much that we don't take a guard in the 1st but that we wait until late in the draft to take a guard, which Spielman has continually done with very poor results. I'm trying to remember the last guard we took in say the first 3 rounds and I think it may be Ryan Cook. Who was a Fran Foley pick. Elflein may be the only interior guy Rick has ever taken early.
He is. Other than Elflein, Spielman has never drafted an interior lineman for the Vikings before the fifth round.
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Re: Super bowl

Post by S197 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:58 pm

mansquatch wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:31 pm
Did you guys see PHP's post on the NE OL? All those guys are late round picks. In some cases they were free agents jettisoned from other clubs. BB and co have figured out how to coach those guys up within a single season. That is the big difference. I'm not sure it will matter all that much if the Vikes draft a 1st rounder vs. a 5th rounder if the coaching isn't in place to develop the guy effectively.
Off the top of my head, Kalil, Loadholt and Elflein are the only 3 players he's drafted before round 4. Small sample size but better hit rate than the revolving door of 6/7th round picks. I'd like to at least see an effort in the early rounds. If he misses he'll prob Be out of a job anyway.
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